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Pridružen/-a: Tor Maj 2008 16:01 Prispevkov: 1127 Kraj: Ljubljana
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Sam razmišljam o menjavi celega sistema za aktivne zvočnike, motijo me kabli in komponente, prodal sem gramofon...
Ker jih ne poznam nič, me zanima kaj bi prišlo v poštev v mojem primeru. Z mojimi Jbl sem zadovoljen, če igra kaj rabljenega za 1k v tem rangu bi bil čisto zadovoljen, seveda lahko tudi manj.
Sem se pa navadil na 10" driver, tako da bi bil vesel malo večjih škatlic.
Kako je s priklopom več stvari na njih, lavfal bi SB, pa potrebi sem ter tja cd player?
Ali se mi za ta budget sploh splača menjat, bom zadovoljen? |
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Pridružen/-a: Tor Sep 2008 16:49 Prispevkov: 166 Kraj: Velenje
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Pestilence.

Pridružen/-a: Tor Maj 2008 10:34 Prispevkov: 2585 Kraj: Škofja Loka
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hihi, za audiopro pridno delam reklamo po tem forumu. Fajn fantje
Ne vem koliko boš zadovoljen, saj bo moderen studijski zvočnik imel zeeeeelo drugačen karakter kot 30 let stari JBLi. Z priklopom več stvari načeloma ne gre, tako da ti prestane imet predojačevalec ki je potem povezan na aktivne zvočnike, ampak z tem dobiš dva predojačevalca.. kar spet ni dobro. Lahko pa si omisliš običajen RCA/Cinch preklopnik za nekaj €. Moj glas bi tu šel za Adam ali pa Dynaudio (sploh dynaudio <3). Desetke pa boš že kar iskal.. _________________ Music was my refuge. I could crawl into the space between the notes and curl my back to loneliness. |
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Pridružen/-a: Tor Maj 2008 16:01 Prispevkov: 1127 Kraj: Ljubljana
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Objavljeno: Tor Nov 10, 2009 13:34 Naslov sporočila: |
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Našel sem sedaj Avi adm 9.1. Ima digitalen in aux vhod, pa če všeč so mi.
Ampak jih nikjer ne najdem, tudi cene ne, eni so se prodali za nekih 850gbp kar bi šlo čez. |
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Pridružen/-a: Čet Nov 2008 11:40 Prispevkov: 988 Kraj: LJ
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Objavljeno: Tor Nov 10, 2009 14:24 Naslov sporočila: |
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Ja 'retail price' je tam med 1.300 in 1.500 € ($ 2250.- oz. Ł 1.125.-)  _________________ I may not always be right; but, I'm never wrong !
Nazadnje urejal/a audiomaniac Tor Nov 10, 2009 14:27; skupaj popravljeno 1 krat |
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Pridružen/-a: Tor Maj 2008 16:01 Prispevkov: 1127 Kraj: Ljubljana
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Ni, sem našel sedaj na njihovi strani ceno 1125gbp s poštnino vred.
Zato sem pa rekel prej da mi niso jasne cene. Sem ter tja se pojavijo kaki okoli 1k€ kolikor sem prebrskal na hitro. |
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Pridružen/-a: Čet Nov 2008 11:40 Prispevkov: 988 Kraj: LJ
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Objavljeno: Tor Nov 10, 2009 15:32 Naslov sporočila: |
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Ja, ''ubodi'' zadevo, da boš poročal ali res tako dobro zvenijo kot pravijo !?  _________________ I may not always be right; but, I'm never wrong ! |
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Pridružen/-a: Pet Maj 2009 14:01 Prispevkov: 911 Kraj: Ljubljana
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Objavljeno: Tor Nov 10, 2009 16:56 Naslov sporočila: |
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Ravno tri tedne nazaj sem izmenjal nekaj mailov z Ashleyem Jamesom, šefom AVIja, ki pa je do leta 95 delal za ATC. Spodaj je nekaj odlomkov iz korespondence:
Neutron 5 system is only £1299 and will be better than your ATCs. ADM9.1s are £1125 plus £799 for the optional SUB and would be miles better.
Both N5s and ADM9.1s will have a far more open and smooth sound with much powerful dynamics. At first the sound will appear very bright (but very smooth) and you may question the lack of Bass until you realise that it is all there but much more accurately. The ADM9.1s with their sub are absolutely astonishingly better than ATC. I left in '95 in despair because they were falling behind then. They will play much louder and quieter than ATCs without losing any of the character of the sound too. ADM9.1s are a revolutionary product by any standards and amazing value too, but either system will be better than you're used to.
You should join the owners club and discuss it with them. Facebook | AVI ADM9 Owners Club <http://www.new.facebook.com/group.php?gid=36813701333>
I got this from the owners club:
Pip Eastop <http://www.new.facebook.com/profile.php?id=681041997> wroteon July 13, 2009 at 3:24am
Just a quickie - I'll write more when I have time. Right now I can't stop listening to music....
I recently took delivery of a pair of ADM9.1 speakers and the sub.
I am a professional musician. I've played principal horn with nearly every orchestra in the country and recorded stacks of music of ALL kinds over the years. When it comes to hi-fi I believe my ears. I don't take any notice the opinions of others. I know what sounds good. I know what sounds "right".
If you are undecided about the ADM9.1 system, then please allow me to persuade you. It's quite simply the most wonderful setup I've ever heard. It's better than anything they have at EMI in Studio 1. They use B&W.
It's better than any of my valve amps, and Harbeth speakers. It's even rather better than listening in a concert hall. Most concert halls have pretty lousy sound, in actual fact. Modern acoustic recordings, if they are done well, usually improve things.
It's as close to perfection as I can imagine. What I hear is totally incongrous with the appearance of two little black boxes on metal plinths. I can't believe what I'm seeing/hearing.
I am slowly listening through all my favourite recordings So far there has not been one so far which has failed to amaze me.
And to further the optical analogy: it's like suddenly finding a pair of perfect specs and seeing the world clearly for the first time.
No exaggeration.
I need to wash, eat, move around a bit - but I can't tear myself away from these boxes.... If you don't hear from me again I will have blissfully wasted away.... |
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Pridružen/-a: Sre Feb 2009 17:54 Prispevkov: 1241 Kraj: Ljubljana
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Bravo fantje, prava smer za doseganje odličnega razmerja vložena sredstva vs. dobljena kvaliteta. Aktivni zvočniki z digitalnim optičnim vhodom so primer odlične integracije pravih segmentov, z drugimi besedami, ti sklopi res pašejo skupaj in tvorijo smiselno celoto. Na zvočnika pošiljamo le informacijo o zvočnem zapisu, hkrati pa ju galvansko ločimo od sistema in odpravimo možnost vstopa induciranih motenj - EMI. Driverji so gnani direktno brez vmesnih RLC filtrov, s tem je dosežena fazna pravilnost, neposredno sledenje audio signalu, večja glasnost ...
Težišče kvalitete se tako prenese na programsko opremo, ki pa vemo, da se razvija z veliko hitrostjo v pravo smer.
AVI ADM9.1 aktivni par zgleda zelo solidno in tudi 108 dB/m SPL se sliši obetavno, seveda za aplikacijo v razumnih volumnih.  |
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Pridružen/-a: Čet Nov 2008 11:40 Prispevkov: 988 Kraj: LJ
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Objavljeno: Tor Nov 10, 2009 21:27 Naslov sporočila: |
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Hm, a potem pri teh 'aktivcih' ADM 9.1 rabiš samo še vir (notebook, music server ipd...) ali pa transport (CD player, ...); in to je to !?  _________________ I may not always be right; but, I'm never wrong ! |
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Pridružen/-a: Tor Maj 2008 16:01 Prispevkov: 1127 Kraj: Ljubljana
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Objavljeno: Tor Nov 10, 2009 21:44 Naslov sporočila: |
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| Še DAC je vgrajen in izhod za sub, za moje potrebe vse kar rabim. |
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Pridružen/-a: Čet Nov 2008 11:40 Prispevkov: 988 Kraj: LJ
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Objavljeno: Tor Nov 10, 2009 21:45 Naslov sporočila: |
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| Numb je napisal/a: | | Še DAC je vgrajen in izhod za sub, za moje potrebe vse kar rabim. |
Ja, vse imajo ! Zanima me kaj bo vir ?  _________________ I may not always be right; but, I'm never wrong ! |
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Pridružen/-a: Tor Maj 2008 16:01 Prispevkov: 1127 Kraj: Ljubljana
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Objavljeno: Tor Nov 10, 2009 21:49 Naslov sporočila: |
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| Misliš v mojem primeru? SB in sem ter tja cd player. |
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Pridružen/-a: Čet Nov 2008 11:40 Prispevkov: 988 Kraj: LJ
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Objavljeno: Tor Nov 10, 2009 22:05 Naslov sporočila: |
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| Numb je napisal/a: | | Misliš v mojem primeru? SB in sem ter tja cd player. |
Ja, v tvojem ! Me pa res zanima kako boš zadovoljen !? _________________ I may not always be right; but, I'm never wrong ! |
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Pridružen/-a: Pet Maj 2009 14:01 Prispevkov: 911 Kraj: Ljubljana
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Objavljeno: Sre Nov 11, 2009 10:17 Naslov sporočila: |
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| Numb je napisal/a: | | Še DAC je vgrajen in izhod za sub, za moje potrebe vse kar rabim. |
Ima tudi analogni vhod in za nameček je zvezan na digitalnega, tako da lahko prek teh zvočnikov snemaš analogni signal na HD (glej spodaj).
Moč ojačevalcev je kar 350 W po kanalu.
Edina pripomba, ki jo imam je, da lahko priklopiš samo mono sub.
Stereo subi bi utegnili biti dosti boljši.
http://www.avihifi.co.uk/adm9_hifichoice_review.html
A closer look at the ADM9 reveals some differences from ordinary standmounts, though. The first difference is found in the amplifiers behind those two drive units; two bipolar designs, the first being a 100 watt model for the tweeter, with a 250 watt unit for the bass driver and an active fourth-order crossover sitting in front of them.
Look closely at the back of the right hand speaker and you'll see the rear panel has five solid gold-plated phono sockets (with just one in the left speaker) One of these connects the left and right speakers together, and a five-metre length of phono-to-phono cable is supplied for this purpose. Two of the connectors act as inputs for an analogue line source, while the other two are outputs for a slaved speaker and a subwoofer (a matching subwoofer with a front-firing 250mm bass unit is also available). The speaker also includes a rudimentary one-source preamplifier, which can be controlled by using One For All's Audio Zapper remote control that comes supplied with the ADM9. The controls on the Zapper are limited to volume up and down, mute and source selection, however these are standard Philips RC5 commands if you want to invest in a more fancy remote.
A one-source analogue input active speaker is not going to drive the digital download revolution on its own, but that all changes with the strange square socket marked 'digital input'. This is a USE 1.1 socket and behind it sits a Burr-Brown digital converter. And it's here that AVI has been doubly canny. The USB port allows you to access anything that is digitally recorded and stored on a PC or Macintosh, be it a quick download of the new Killers song whipped off iTunes, a carefully worked Exact Audio Copy- enhanced, Accurate Rip-validated bit-for-bit recording of your CDS stored on your computer, or even a FLAC-encoded Studio Master from Linn
The 'doubly canny' bit comes in when you connect an analogue source to the ADM9, as it allows the USB port to pass those analogue signals back through to the computer, for ripping and storage In other words, if you have a good record deck and phono stage, the USB-equipped ADM9 will turn those two into an analogue remastering centre. A Toslink-only version of the ADM9 (sporting a Wolfson DAC) is also available for those still married to 'tradition' and CD inputs, but you lose the record facility in the process.
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