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Ajka,
ja točno tako, tudi če je frekvenca pod 30Hz, je lahko bass TIGHT!
To pomeni brez overhanga, zaradi slabega dampinga zvočnika, ali drugih dejavnikov.
Verjamemm pa, da to le redko slišiš, ker kot rečeno 80% zvočnikov tega ne zmore.
In ja, pa še kako gre Utopia z lahkoto pod 30Hz!
Me pa čudi, da ti toliko komentiraš Focal Utopia, ker nimaš nobenih osebnih izkušenj z njimi, razen iz sejmov...
Tukaj med člani AK je kar nekaj lastnikov, ki vedo o čem govorim, ostali bodo pa morda to kdaj tudi doživeli.
Takole bom rekel, je Utopia, potem pa daleč nič, potem pride ostalo...
Kolega je lepo enkrat rekel, ko enkrat slišiš ta zvočnik, se ti zdi, kot da so vsi ostali pokvarjeni. 
Tight bass (Gearsluts):
to me, tight bass can not be gotten with an eq. tight in my mind means no overhang. overhang is hard to explain unless you have heard speakers with overhang. overhang is when the speaker produces sound after the electrical impulse has stopped. this can be due to being improperly ported, or misaligned tuning, or a speaker cone that is too heavy and not properly damped, its weight continues to move the cone back and forth via the laws of motion and momentum, producing sound after the signal stops.
IMO, tight meaning controlled. The speakers are within their ability to handle what is being sent to them without going over there suspension limits, or bottoming out, or worse, just blowing up.
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To me, 'tight' means two things.
1. How fast the headphone can start/stop the notes. On sloppy headphones, the bassline all runs together, with no 'air' or 'space' between the notes, and the headphone has a difficult time with the transients, such as hearing that nice pluck/thwack sound you get like on a bass guitar.
2. The ability to do #1, w/out it impacting the rest of the audio spectrum (mids/highs). On some bose speakers I've heard, this is where I think they fail. When the bass hits, it steals from the rest of the music on the transients i.e. pluck/thwack a the beginning of the notes.
I guess another way to say it would be....
1. Timing Domain - successive notes don't interfere with each other.
2. Frequency domain - the current note doesn't interfere with the other instruments.
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This is just the way I see it. Others may disagree.
Tight bass is the opposite of boomy or flabby bass, you'll know flabby and boomy the next time a teen drives by with the sheet metal undulating from it.
Deep bass is the kind where the wave gets at such a slow rate that you can hear and feel the individual waves.
They're not mutually exclusive though, you can have deep and tight bass. That's great sounding.
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Upam da smo si sedaj na jasnem, kaj pomeni TIGHT BASS.
Ali bi še diskutirali Ajka?
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ajka
Pridružen/-a: Tor Maj 2008 10:00
Prispevkov: 3193
Kraj: Sežana
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| jacoby je napisal/a: | Ajka,
ja točno tako, tudi če je frekvenca pod 30Hz, je lahko bass TIGHT!
To pomeni brez overhanga, zaradi slabega dampinga zvočnika, ali drugih dejavnikov.
Verjamemm pa, da to le redko slišiš, ker kot rečeno 80% zvočnikov tega ne zmore.
In ja, pa še kako gre Utopia z lahkoto pod 30Hz!
Me pa čudi, da ti toliko komentiraš Focal Utopia, ker nimaš nobenih osebnih izkušenj z njimi, razen iz sejmov...
Tukaj med člani AK je kar nekaj lastnikov, ki vedo o čem govorim, ostali bodo pa morda to kdaj tudi doživeli.
Takole bom rekel, je Utopia, potem pa daleč nič, potem pride ostalo...
Kolega je lepo enkrat rekel, ko enkrat slišiš ta zvočnik, se ti zdi, kot da so vsi ostali pokvarjeni.
Tight bass (Gearsluts):
to me, tight bass can not be gotten with an eq. tight in my mind means no overhang. overhang is hard to explain unless you have heard speakers with overhang. overhang is when the speaker produces sound after the electrical impulse has stopped. this can be due to being improperly ported, or misaligned tuning, or a speaker cone that is too heavy and not properly damped, its weight continues to move the cone back and forth via the laws of motion and momentum, producing sound after the signal stops.
IMO, tight meaning controlled. The speakers are within their ability to handle what is being sent to them without going over there suspension limits, or bottoming out, or worse, just blowing up.
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To me, 'tight' means two things.
1. How fast the headphone can start/stop the notes. On sloppy headphones, the bassline all runs together, with no 'air' or 'space' between the notes, and the headphone has a difficult time with the transients, such as hearing that nice pluck/thwack sound you get like on a bass guitar.
2. The ability to do #1, w/out it impacting the rest of the audio spectrum (mids/highs). On some bose speakers I've heard, this is where I think they fail. When the bass hits, it steals from the rest of the music on the transients i.e. pluck/thwack a the beginning of the notes.
I guess another way to say it would be....
1. Timing Domain - successive notes don't interfere with each other.
2. Frequency domain - the current note doesn't interfere with the other instruments.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This is just the way I see it. Others may disagree.
Tight bass is the opposite of boomy or flabby bass, you'll know flabby and boomy the next time a teen drives by with the sheet metal undulating from it.
Deep bass is the kind where the wave gets at such a slow rate that you can hear and feel the individual waves.
They're not mutually exclusive though, you can have deep and tight bass. That's great sounding.
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Upam da smo si sedaj na jasnem, kaj pomeni TIGHT BASS.
Ali bi še diskutirali Ajka? |
LP
Mi je žal, da berete samo tisto kar vam je po godu, ma bom hitro in kratko zaključil...
Na moja preprosta "nasprotna vprašanja" o prostoru nisem dobil !!??
Je tudi že omenjal tudi NLP, teoretična debata o tehnikalijah zvočnikov-elektronike je eno, meritve v okolju kjer poslušamo pa govorijo drugo !!!
Še enkrat in zadnjič povem ga ni zvočnika na planetu, ki bi igral prav med 20 in 50 Hz v neprimernem prostoru !!!
(Enkrat si izmeri, boš začuden koliko db +, - poslušaš)
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CASTOR
Pridružen/-a: Pet Okt 2008 16:18
Prispevkov: 1087
Kraj: KOZINA
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| Ajka, ne zameri , ma bluziš. |
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diyfreak
Pridružen/-a: Pon Okt 2011 23:29
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| Tokrat se popolnoma strinjam z ajko. V netretiranem prostoru bas nikoli ne bo pravilen. Verjamem pa tudi da je marsikomu lahko všeč takšen bas. |
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ajka
Pridružen/-a: Tor Maj 2008 10:00
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LP
Oprostite za "bluzenje" pa vendar morda tema za poletno razmišljanje in jesensko eksperimentiranje  
PS.:Samo tako za info. Našo "stavbo generalno prenavljajo", pred dnevi so začeli polagat v sosednjih prostorih na "Knauf" mineralno volno, jo je tako od oka vsaj za 50 bal in ohoho m2 ...
Za dvojnimi vrati se v mojem prostoru to sedaj pozna na zvoku. Imam pa res eno steno montažno, ampak vseeno si ne bi mislil  
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CASTOR
Pridružen/-a: Pet Okt 2008 16:18
Prispevkov: 1087
Kraj: KOZINA
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| Ja, OK, jaz in moj dežurni odvetnik bluziva! Je v redu tako? |
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mihamusic
Pridružen/-a: Sre Feb 2015 20:17
Prispevkov: 163
Kraj: Trzin
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| Objavljeno: Pon Jul 20, 2015 22:42 Naslov sporočila: Moje mnenje,... |
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Pozdravljeni:
Z zanimanjem (in nasmeškom) spremljam tele debate - sploh s neverjetnimi pridevniki okoli kvalitete/lastnosti zvoka/basov/visokih/not/xxx
Nikoli sicer nisem videl pojasnjeno naprem KATEREMU ZVOKU primerjate "tesen bas", "definiran bas", in vse podobne zadeve,...
Ker dandanes razen klasike v koncertni dvorani in kakih komornih zasedb ali solo kitar zelo težko/ne moreš slišati naravnega zvoka instrumentov,...
Torej napram ČEMU, na primer, primerjate kako se sliši bas na neki plošči Pink Floyd-ov, recimo ???
In če poslušaš katerokoli band/VIS/xxx - vsi igrajo preko nekega strahotnega ozvočenja - in to resnično verjetno NE želiš reproducirati v svoji sobi
Njihove plošče so pa posnete v studiu - seveda s popolnoma drugo opremo,...
Torej - kupi si sistem, katerega zvok ti je VŠEČ - in sploh NI VAŽNO mnenje kakršnihkoli "gurujev"/"zlatih ušes"/"poslušalcev iz sejmov" in podobnih
Si je pa žal težko izposodit zvočnike (daleč najpomembnejši del sistema) in ostalo opremo na preizkus doma - edina varianta so dobri prijatelji, znanci in prijazen dealer.
In ko ti je enkrat zvok všeč - ne "drmaj" stalno z menjavami/"tweakanjem" in podobnim - ampak uživaj v glasbi
Sem šel čez kar nekaj tega v zadnjih 35+ letih ))
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CASTOR
Pridružen/-a: Pet Okt 2008 16:18
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mihamusic
Še dva taka posta, pa boš protidržavni element.
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NLP
Pridružen/-a: Tor Nov 2009 10:01
Prispevkov: 1035
Kraj: Drugje
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Res je in tudi akustično logično.
Nič novega, pač tako je žal.
Vse drugo je žal okusa specifičnega polsušalca kaj mu je bolj všeč.
| ajka je napisal/a: | | jacoby je napisal/a: | Ajka,
ja točno tako, tudi če je frekvenca pod 30Hz, je lahko bass TIGHT!
To pomeni brez overhanga, zaradi slabega dampinga zvočnika, ali drugih dejavnikov.
Verjamemm pa, da to le redko slišiš, ker kot rečeno 80% zvočnikov tega ne zmore.
In ja, pa še kako gre Utopia z lahkoto pod 30Hz!
Me pa čudi, da ti toliko komentiraš Focal Utopia, ker nimaš nobenih osebnih izkušenj z njimi, razen iz sejmov...
Tukaj med člani AK je kar nekaj lastnikov, ki vedo o čem govorim, ostali bodo pa morda to kdaj tudi doživeli.
Takole bom rekel, je Utopia, potem pa daleč nič, potem pride ostalo...
Kolega je lepo enkrat rekel, ko enkrat slišiš ta zvočnik, se ti zdi, kot da so vsi ostali pokvarjeni.
Tight bass (Gearsluts):
to me, tight bass can not be gotten with an eq. tight in my mind means no overhang. overhang is hard to explain unless you have heard speakers with overhang. overhang is when the speaker produces sound after the electrical impulse has stopped. this can be due to being improperly ported, or misaligned tuning, or a speaker cone that is too heavy and not properly damped, its weight continues to move the cone back and forth via the laws of motion and momentum, producing sound after the signal stops.
IMO, tight meaning controlled. The speakers are within their ability to handle what is being sent to them without going over there suspension limits, or bottoming out, or worse, just blowing up.
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To me, 'tight' means two things.
1. How fast the headphone can start/stop the notes. On sloppy headphones, the bassline all runs together, with no 'air' or 'space' between the notes, and the headphone has a difficult time with the transients, such as hearing that nice pluck/thwack sound you get like on a bass guitar.
2. The ability to do #1, w/out it impacting the rest of the audio spectrum (mids/highs). On some bose speakers I've heard, this is where I think they fail. When the bass hits, it steals from the rest of the music on the transients i.e. pluck/thwack a the beginning of the notes.
I guess another way to say it would be....
1. Timing Domain - successive notes don't interfere with each other.
2. Frequency domain - the current note doesn't interfere with the other instruments.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This is just the way I see it. Others may disagree.
Tight bass is the opposite of boomy or flabby bass, you'll know flabby and boomy the next time a teen drives by with the sheet metal undulating from it.
Deep bass is the kind where the wave gets at such a slow rate that you can hear and feel the individual waves.
They're not mutually exclusive though, you can have deep and tight bass. That's great sounding.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Upam da smo si sedaj na jasnem, kaj pomeni TIGHT BASS.
Ali bi še diskutirali Ajka? |
LP
Mi je žal, da berete samo tisto kar vam je po godu, ma bom hitro in kratko zaključil...
Na moja preprosta "nasprotna vprašanja" o prostoru nisem dobil !!??
Je tudi že omenjal tudi NLP, teoretična debata o tehnikalijah zvočnikov-elektronike je eno, meritve v okolju kjer poslušamo pa govorijo drugo !!!
Še enkrat in zadnjič povem ga ni zvočnika na planetu, ki bi igral prav med 20 in 50 Hz v neprimernem prostoru !!!
(Enkrat si izmeri, boš začuden koliko db +, - poslušaš) |
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NLP
Pridružen/-a: Tor Nov 2009 10:01
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| Objavljeno: Sre Jul 22, 2015 00:31 Naslov sporočila: |
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... in tudi v tem je nekaj resnice.
Vse je odvisno od specifičnega prostora in gradnje!
| jacoby je napisal/a: | Ajka,
ja točno tako, tudi če je frekvenca pod 30Hz, je lahko bass TIGHT!
To pomeni brez overhanga, zaradi slabega dampinga zvočnika, ali drugih dejavnikov.
Verjamemm pa, da to le redko slišiš, ker kot rečeno 80% zvočnikov tega ne zmore.
In ja, pa še kako gre Utopia z lahkoto pod 30Hz!
Me pa čudi, da ti toliko komentiraš Focal Utopia, ker nimaš nobenih osebnih izkušenj z njimi, razen iz sejmov...
Tukaj med člani AK je kar nekaj lastnikov, ki vedo o čem govorim, ostali bodo pa morda to kdaj tudi doživeli.
Takole bom rekel, je Utopia, potem pa daleč nič, potem pride ostalo...
Kolega je lepo enkrat rekel, ko enkrat slišiš ta zvočnik, se ti zdi, kot da so vsi ostali pokvarjeni.
Tight bass (Gearsluts):
to me, tight bass can not be gotten with an eq. tight in my mind means no overhang. overhang is hard to explain unless you have heard speakers with overhang. overhang is when the speaker produces sound after the electrical impulse has stopped. this can be due to being improperly ported, or misaligned tuning, or a speaker cone that is too heavy and not properly damped, its weight continues to move the cone back and forth via the laws of motion and momentum, producing sound after the signal stops.
IMO, tight meaning controlled. The speakers are within their ability to handle what is being sent to them without going over there suspension limits, or bottoming out, or worse, just blowing up.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
To me, 'tight' means two things.
1. How fast the headphone can start/stop the notes. On sloppy headphones, the bassline all runs together, with no 'air' or 'space' between the notes, and the headphone has a difficult time with the transients, such as hearing that nice pluck/thwack sound you get like on a bass guitar.
2. The ability to do #1, w/out it impacting the rest of the audio spectrum (mids/highs). On some bose speakers I've heard, this is where I think they fail. When the bass hits, it steals from the rest of the music on the transients i.e. pluck/thwack a the beginning of the notes.
I guess another way to say it would be....
1. Timing Domain - successive notes don't interfere with each other.
2. Frequency domain - the current note doesn't interfere with the other instruments.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This is just the way I see it. Others may disagree.
Tight bass is the opposite of boomy or flabby bass, you'll know flabby and boomy the next time a teen drives by with the sheet metal undulating from it.
Deep bass is the kind where the wave gets at such a slow rate that you can hear and feel the individual waves.
They're not mutually exclusive though, you can have deep and tight bass. That's great sounding.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Upam da smo si sedaj na jasnem, kaj pomeni TIGHT BASS.
Ali bi še diskutirali Ajka? |
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